1 00:00:04,059 --> 00:00:30,610 [Music] 2 00:00:34,389 --> 00:00:32,109 [Applause] 3 00:00:36,030 --> 00:00:34,399 thank you thank you very much it's 4 00:00:38,310 --> 00:00:36,040 really a pleasure and an honor to be 5 00:00:40,470 --> 00:00:38,320 here and uh just the sincerest thanks to 6 00:00:42,150 --> 00:00:40,480 Gary and Peter and Saul for for putting 7 00:00:44,709 --> 00:00:42,160 this together and it's really a 8 00:00:46,150 --> 00:00:44,719 combination of I think Decades of work 9 00:00:47,830 --> 00:00:46,160 of all the people in the audience and 10 00:00:50,350 --> 00:00:47,840 other folks that have brought us to this 11 00:00:52,709 --> 00:00:50,360 stage and and thanks also to Dan shean 12 00:00:55,869 --> 00:00:52,719 and his new paradigm Institute coming at 13 00:00:58,830 --> 00:00:55,879 this from the um philosophical ethical 14 00:01:01,189 --> 00:00:58,840 perspective as well I think uh Diana had 15 00:01:03,389 --> 00:01:01,199 a great point where she said said um you 16 00:01:04,750 --> 00:01:03,399 know there almost this emergent uh 17 00:01:07,350 --> 00:01:04,760 properties that come out of a 18 00:01:09,149 --> 00:01:07,360 collaboration and some sense Schumer is 19 00:01:10,910 --> 00:01:09,159 sort of an example of this you know some 20 00:01:13,590 --> 00:01:10,920 people ask like where does this Schumer 21 00:01:14,830 --> 00:01:13,600 thing come from and um maybe I can touch 22 00:01:17,870 --> 00:01:14,840 on that a little bit because I think 23 00:01:19,749 --> 00:01:17,880 it's really an example of uh what she 24 00:01:21,390 --> 00:01:19,759 was talking about this sort of emerging 25 00:01:24,350 --> 00:01:21,400 and sometimes this collaboration isn't 26 00:01:25,910 --> 00:01:24,360 necessarily even overt it's uh one group 27 00:01:28,510 --> 00:01:25,920 inspires another group to do certain 28 00:01:30,630 --> 00:01:28,520 things there's a dynamic there uh but 29 00:01:32,190 --> 00:01:30,640 first like what is the Schumer 30 00:01:34,789 --> 00:01:32,200 well 10 years ago probably the Schumer 31 00:01:37,670 --> 00:01:34,799 Amendment would have been viewed as UAP 32 00:01:40,670 --> 00:01:37,680 UFO disclosure and the amendment seeks 33 00:01:42,749 --> 00:01:40,680 to to very clearly uh clarify what the 34 00:01:46,429 --> 00:01:42,759 scope is of their problem set and what 35 00:01:49,429 --> 00:01:46,439 they're trying to do about it um but the 36 00:01:51,510 --> 00:01:49,439 the um probably the recognition really 37 00:01:53,789 --> 00:01:51,520 ought to go to some silent few on the 38 00:01:55,990 --> 00:01:53,799 hill in terms of the the full-time 39 00:01:58,270 --> 00:01:56,000 staffers that really were seeing this 40 00:02:00,429 --> 00:01:58,280 thing through but the thing that enabled 41 00:02:01,950 --> 00:02:00,439 that to happen was a lot of the work 42 00:02:04,550 --> 00:02:01,960 that's happened out here in the audience 43 00:02:07,389 --> 00:02:04,560 and out here in the community and uh 44 00:02:09,589 --> 00:02:07,399 that enabled and set the conditions for 45 00:02:11,710 --> 00:02:09,599 the staff to have the confidence to move 46 00:02:13,869 --> 00:02:11,720 forward uh to implement this type of 47 00:02:16,390 --> 00:02:13,879 legislation obviously uh with the 48 00:02:19,190 --> 00:02:16,400 majority leader and uh complete 49 00:02:20,949 --> 00:02:19,200 bipartisan uh Coalition doing this to to 50 00:02:22,990 --> 00:02:20,959 make that happen I'll talk a little bit 51 00:02:25,270 --> 00:02:23,000 about the amendment the reasons for it 52 00:02:26,949 --> 00:02:25,280 and then uh maybe a linkage into 53 00:02:29,070 --> 00:02:26,959 possible ways forward that might link 54 00:02:30,550 --> 00:02:29,080 into uh some opportunities for the 55 00:02:33,589 --> 00:02:30,560 foundation and the folks that are 56 00:02:35,869 --> 00:02:33,599 participating here uh so what are these 57 00:02:38,350 --> 00:02:35,879 sort of emerging factors that happen 58 00:02:41,110 --> 00:02:38,360 well I think Leslie kean's article as 59 00:02:43,910 --> 00:02:41,120 everyone is familiar was a key SE State 60 00:02:46,070 --> 00:02:43,920 change in U you know 61 00:02:48,670 --> 00:02:46,080 precipitating uh the removal a lot of 62 00:02:50,309 --> 00:02:48,680 the stigma that surrounded this topic 63 00:02:53,149 --> 00:02:50,319 and of course coincident with that the 64 00:02:55,509 --> 00:02:53,159 work of Chris melon and Lou alzando in 65 00:02:57,670 --> 00:02:55,519 getting those videos released and adding 66 00:02:59,910 --> 00:02:57,680 their uh names and reputations to the 67 00:03:02,750 --> 00:02:59,920 topic to move it forward so certainly 68 00:03:06,149 --> 00:03:02,760 that was a key incident the next piece 69 00:03:10,110 --> 00:03:06,159 uh was I would argue the David grush uh 70 00:03:12,229 --> 00:03:10,120 Ryan Graves David fraver um testimony 71 00:03:13,949 --> 00:03:12,239 before Congress again lowering the 72 00:03:16,710 --> 00:03:13,959 threshold of making this topic 73 00:03:18,390 --> 00:03:16,720 respectable and um and incentivizing 74 00:03:20,710 --> 00:03:18,400 some discussion about it so you'll 75 00:03:22,949 --> 00:03:20,720 notice if you look at the Timeline there 76 00:03:24,710 --> 00:03:22,959 uh on the left that uh the approval of 77 00:03:26,470 --> 00:03:24,720 the amendment was maybe a day after that 78 00:03:29,309 --> 00:03:26,480 hearing so I don't think those are 79 00:03:31,589 --> 00:03:29,319 necessarily synchronized uh the work for 80 00:03:34,190 --> 00:03:31,599 Schumer was going on in the background 81 00:03:36,390 --> 00:03:34,200 but all these contributive factors were 82 00:03:38,750 --> 00:03:36,400 lowering that threshold for uh for 83 00:03:39,949 --> 00:03:38,760 making this acceptable so if you look at 84 00:03:41,630 --> 00:03:39,959 uh the folks that are actually 85 00:03:44,070 --> 00:03:41,640 supporting this you got two folks on the 86 00:03:46,229 --> 00:03:44,080 Sask you got two folks on the 87 00:03:49,070 --> 00:03:46,239 you've got complete bipartisanship right 88 00:03:51,110 --> 00:03:49,080 you've got uh rounds and Schumer that 89 00:03:53,589 --> 00:03:51,120 are sponsors but of course you've got 90 00:03:55,270 --> 00:03:53,599 Senator gilbran and Senator Rubio from 91 00:03:57,750 --> 00:03:55,280 the left and the right supporting it and 92 00:04:00,270 --> 00:03:57,760 you've got uh Senator Hinrich and and 93 00:04:02,589 --> 00:04:00,280 Young and the other interesting takeaway 94 00:04:04,110 --> 00:04:02,599 from this is there's two people that are 95 00:04:07,229 --> 00:04:04,120 sponsoring this bill that are on the 96 00:04:08,670 --> 00:04:07,239 gang of eight so the gang of eight uh 97 00:04:10,110 --> 00:04:08,680 was really a concept that got created 98 00:04:12,630 --> 00:04:10,120 out of the church commission when there 99 00:04:14,830 --> 00:04:12,640 was uh Intel oversight concerns back in 100 00:04:16,550 --> 00:04:14,840 the 60s and the 70s where there were 101 00:04:18,270 --> 00:04:16,560 activities going on that that Congress 102 00:04:20,229 --> 00:04:18,280 was not aware of and that were 103 00:04:23,310 --> 00:04:20,239 essentially illegal and so there was a 104 00:04:26,310 --> 00:04:23,320 Structure put in place such that certain 105 00:04:28,629 --> 00:04:26,320 key members of Congress would be legally 106 00:04:30,830 --> 00:04:28,639 entitled to hear about all information 107 00:04:33,469 --> 00:04:30,840 that pertained to the equities of title 108 00:04:35,110 --> 00:04:33,479 10 and title 50 and so that created this 109 00:04:36,950 --> 00:04:35,120 concept of the gang of eight which is 110 00:04:39,830 --> 00:04:36,960 the majority leader and the minority 111 00:04:41,990 --> 00:04:39,840 leader in the Senate the speaker and the 112 00:04:45,029 --> 00:04:42,000 U minority major minority leader in the 113 00:04:47,310 --> 00:04:45,039 house and then uh the ranking and chairs 114 00:04:49,230 --> 00:04:47,320 of each of the Intel committees so 115 00:04:51,950 --> 00:04:49,240 that's eight folks so these folks are 116 00:04:54,189 --> 00:04:51,960 the people in Congress that are aware of 117 00:04:56,909 --> 00:04:54,199 all the 118 00:04:58,830 --> 00:04:56,919 information so that should sink in there 119 00:05:01,670 --> 00:04:58,840 are two people there sponsoring this in 120 00:05:03,590 --> 00:05:01,680 Congress that say we need this 121 00:05:05,950 --> 00:05:03,600 legislation um because things aren't 122 00:05:07,670 --> 00:05:05,960 working right and these are the people 123 00:05:10,870 --> 00:05:07,680 that are read into 124 00:05:13,990 --> 00:05:10,880 everything so uh a lot of times when you 125 00:05:16,469 --> 00:05:14,000 get legislation uh it's either uh driven 126 00:05:17,350 --> 00:05:16,479 by lobbyists frankly or you've got to 127 00:05:18,870 --> 00:05:17,360 read the whole thing and you're 128 00:05:20,870 --> 00:05:18,880 wondering you know what the heck were 129 00:05:23,189 --> 00:05:20,880 these people thinking when they wrote 130 00:05:25,870 --> 00:05:23,199 this like why did they do this well in 131 00:05:28,950 --> 00:05:25,880 this case uh the Senators put into the 132 00:05:30,350 --> 00:05:28,960 bill the exact reasons why they were 133 00:05:31,909 --> 00:05:30,360 doing the bill 134 00:05:33,550 --> 00:05:31,919 and this is like section two of the 135 00:05:35,469 --> 00:05:33,560 legislation you can see at the bottom 136 00:05:37,230 --> 00:05:35,479 like the references you can go online 137 00:05:39,270 --> 00:05:37,240 and look it up the actual verbiage so 138 00:05:40,950 --> 00:05:39,280 this is a summary but essentially what 139 00:05:43,469 --> 00:05:40,960 they're saying is we want to preserve 140 00:05:45,670 --> 00:05:43,479 and centralize all records related to 141 00:05:47,270 --> 00:05:45,680 this topic and we'll get into what how 142 00:05:49,590 --> 00:05:47,280 we're defining terms here in a minute 143 00:05:51,670 --> 00:05:49,600 but they feel that it's more important 144 00:05:55,029 --> 00:05:51,680 to pull these records out of the 145 00:05:57,189 --> 00:05:55,039 individual um uh uh controlling 146 00:05:58,870 --> 00:05:57,199 authorities uh possession and 147 00:06:01,749 --> 00:05:58,880 integrating them together in the 148 00:06:03,670 --> 00:06:01,759 National Arch arives is more important 149 00:06:05,309 --> 00:06:03,680 than um having a distributed 150 00:06:06,950 --> 00:06:05,319 decentralized control of the records 151 00:06:09,589 --> 00:06:06,960 that's the number one thing number two 152 00:06:11,830 --> 00:06:09,599 there's a presumption of 153 00:06:13,350 --> 00:06:11,840 disclosure so that doesn't mean that 154 00:06:15,150 --> 00:06:13,360 we're going to you know think about 155 00:06:17,309 --> 00:06:15,160 whether the stuff should be made uh 156 00:06:19,150 --> 00:06:17,319 available it means that there's the 157 00:06:21,350 --> 00:06:19,160 presumption and there's got to be an 158 00:06:24,150 --> 00:06:21,360 argument against if they're not going to 159 00:06:25,790 --> 00:06:24,160 be disclosed so it's very significant 160 00:06:27,189 --> 00:06:25,800 the third thing is that this 161 00:06:29,909 --> 00:06:27,199 legislation's need to create an 162 00:06:31,350 --> 00:06:29,919 enforceable accountable and determin IC 163 00:06:32,830 --> 00:06:31,360 process for this to happen in other 164 00:06:35,909 --> 00:06:32,840 words this isn't going to happen by 165 00:06:38,670 --> 00:06:35,919 itself it hasn't happened yet and so uh 166 00:06:41,270 --> 00:06:38,680 overt explicit measures need to be taken 167 00:06:43,430 --> 00:06:41,280 in law in order to cause this to happen 168 00:06:45,110 --> 00:06:43,440 and the amendment is very specific on on 169 00:06:47,790 --> 00:06:45,120 the mechanisms that are going to be used 170 00:06:48,909 --> 00:06:47,800 to do that the fourth piece is and a lot 171 00:06:50,150 --> 00:06:48,919 of people in the audience probably know 172 00:06:53,309 --> 00:06:50,160 Freedom of Information Act kind of 173 00:06:55,430 --> 00:06:53,319 doesn't work uh the government kind of 174 00:06:57,550 --> 00:06:55,440 knows it doesn't work and and in some 175 00:06:59,990 --> 00:06:57,560 cases that that that's kind of good from 176 00:07:01,589 --> 00:07:00,000 their perspective but but even given 177 00:07:04,350 --> 00:07:01,599 Noble intent you know Freedom of 178 00:07:07,469 --> 00:07:04,360 Information is is very bureaucratic uh 179 00:07:10,510 --> 00:07:07,479 and very um administratively onerous 180 00:07:13,270 --> 00:07:10,520 it's not really very effective but the 181 00:07:15,430 --> 00:07:13,280 fifth piece here uh is even more 182 00:07:18,869 --> 00:07:15,440 interesting uh and this is again in the 183 00:07:21,270 --> 00:07:18,879 amendment verbatim that uh and this is a 184 00:07:23,790 --> 00:07:21,280 declaration of Congress right so they've 185 00:07:27,110 --> 00:07:23,800 researched this and they've declared 186 00:07:29,950 --> 00:07:27,120 that some UAP records are exempt from 187 00:07:31,909 --> 00:07:29,960 mandatory declassification review under 188 00:07:35,629 --> 00:07:31,919 the atomic energy Act of 189 00:07:38,029 --> 00:07:35,639 1954 so unlike the UK some other 190 00:07:40,790 --> 00:07:38,039 countries the United States there is a 191 00:07:43,110 --> 00:07:40,800 mechanism to declassify um classify 192 00:07:45,510 --> 00:07:43,120 information and the records undergo a 193 00:07:47,469 --> 00:07:45,520 review every so often usually 25 years 194 00:07:50,070 --> 00:07:47,479 or so but depends on the specific 195 00:07:52,990 --> 00:07:50,080 information so there's some subset of 196 00:07:55,469 --> 00:07:53,000 records that the Congress has found 197 00:07:57,589 --> 00:07:55,479 evade this mandatory declassification 198 00:08:00,510 --> 00:07:57,599 review and they're stating that that's 199 00:08:02,350 --> 00:08:00,520 due to the atomic energy Act of 19 54 so 200 00:08:04,110 --> 00:08:02,360 you can imagine you know some of the 201 00:08:07,029 --> 00:08:04,120 sort of historical background that might 202 00:08:10,469 --> 00:08:07,039 have precipitated that postor War II 203 00:08:12,149 --> 00:08:10,479 Manhattan project uh sightings going on 204 00:08:14,670 --> 00:08:12,159 at that time and using that same 205 00:08:17,149 --> 00:08:14,680 security apparatus for this topic so so 206 00:08:19,110 --> 00:08:17,159 that's a very significant finding that 207 00:08:21,469 --> 00:08:19,120 Congress is putting out there for folks 208 00:08:23,710 --> 00:08:21,479 that are paying attention the sixth 209 00:08:26,110 --> 00:08:23,720 piece and probably one of the most 210 00:08:29,430 --> 00:08:26,120 important from the perspective of a free 211 00:08:31,149 --> 00:08:29,440 Society is that Congress has determined 212 00:08:32,750 --> 00:08:31,159 that there's not proper oversight over 213 00:08:34,269 --> 00:08:32,760 this information and that's sort of 214 00:08:36,949 --> 00:08:34,279 implicit in the fact that the gang of 215 00:08:38,269 --> 00:08:36,959 eight uh have not been read into what's 216 00:08:40,350 --> 00:08:38,279 happening and they've only found that 217 00:08:42,469 --> 00:08:40,360 out through whistleblower and other 218 00:08:45,509 --> 00:08:42,479 testimonies and many of this is closed 219 00:08:47,870 --> 00:08:45,519 door nonpublic but the other point about 220 00:08:49,470 --> 00:08:47,880 this which is very mature and very 221 00:08:51,990 --> 00:08:49,480 gratifying and again I think links to 222 00:08:54,590 --> 00:08:52,000 what Diana was saying about this sort of 223 00:08:57,150 --> 00:08:54,600 collaboration and emergent way of 224 00:08:59,590 --> 00:08:57,160 working the legislative branch is not 225 00:09:02,030 --> 00:08:59,600 making themselves the antagonist of the 226 00:09:04,470 --> 00:09:02,040 Executive Branch the legislation 227 00:09:07,230 --> 00:09:04,480 explicitly states that hey legislative 228 00:09:08,710 --> 00:09:07,240 branch you're in the same boat we are 229 00:09:10,630 --> 00:09:08,720 neither the executive nor the 230 00:09:13,110 --> 00:09:10,640 legislative has proper oversight over 231 00:09:15,590 --> 00:09:13,120 this problem and that's explicit in the 232 00:09:18,870 --> 00:09:15,600 legislation and then the seventh piece 233 00:09:20,670 --> 00:09:18,880 is like why do we care uh well we care 234 00:09:23,150 --> 00:09:20,680 because we can't do open scientific 235 00:09:25,389 --> 00:09:23,160 research and we C we care because we're 236 00:09:27,470 --> 00:09:25,399 concerned about technological surprise 237 00:09:29,710 --> 00:09:27,480 and we're concerned about the the the 238 00:09:31,710 --> 00:09:29,720 public interest and the public good and 239 00:09:34,069 --> 00:09:31,720 so the legislation is explicit about all 240 00:09:36,030 --> 00:09:34,079 of that so it's very important uh and 241 00:09:37,710 --> 00:09:36,040 I'd encourage anybody to go look at 242 00:09:40,069 --> 00:09:37,720 section two of the legislation and read 243 00:09:42,470 --> 00:09:40,079 the Verbatim what they're saying 244 00:09:45,230 --> 00:09:42,480 here all right so like what's actually 245 00:09:47,750 --> 00:09:45,240 the scope and so this is um probably a 246 00:09:49,670 --> 00:09:47,760 good point to talk about terminology so 247 00:09:51,590 --> 00:09:49,680 a lot of the stigma has been removed by 248 00:09:54,630 --> 00:09:51,600 sort of changing terms of reference 249 00:09:59,590 --> 00:09:54,640 right so we went from UFO flying saucer 250 00:10:01,509 --> 00:09:59,600 you know uh ET to UAP and so uh UAP p is 251 00:10:04,230 --> 00:10:01,519 probably a more accurate term right it's 252 00:10:07,230 --> 00:10:04,240 a phenomena and that could be a range of 253 00:10:09,269 --> 00:10:07,240 things from metaphysical to psychosocial 254 00:10:11,150 --> 00:10:09,279 To Nuts and Bolts to religious to 255 00:10:13,630 --> 00:10:11,160 Consciousness there's a whole range of 256 00:10:17,030 --> 00:10:13,640 things so so this was actually very 257 00:10:20,230 --> 00:10:17,040 helpful in a uh in a sort of a 258 00:10:22,230 --> 00:10:20,240 intentional ambiguity to allow consensus 259 00:10:24,150 --> 00:10:22,240 to occur around the topic at the same 260 00:10:27,470 --> 00:10:24,160 time as it we're moving historical 261 00:10:29,550 --> 00:10:27,480 stigma and so uh you know in cander 262 00:10:31,670 --> 00:10:29,560 that's actually allowed leg player to 263 00:10:35,030 --> 00:10:31,680 come together in ndas 264 00:10:38,230 --> 00:10:35,040 2122 and in 23 to make progress on the 265 00:10:40,470 --> 00:10:38,240 topic but I think uh a lot of folks 266 00:10:42,470 --> 00:10:40,480 would agree that the problem comes in 267 00:10:44,910 --> 00:10:42,480 when you actually want to address what 268 00:10:47,470 --> 00:10:44,920 the underlying issue is and so if you 269 00:10:50,190 --> 00:10:47,480 look at what arrow is doing for instance 270 00:10:52,629 --> 00:10:50,200 what problem are they actually solving 271 00:10:54,230 --> 00:10:52,639 UAP is so broad even in an operational 272 00:10:56,190 --> 00:10:54,240 sense it could be probably four 273 00:10:58,750 --> 00:10:56,200 different problems right it could be the 274 00:11:01,269 --> 00:10:58,760 air trash range safety problem that Ryan 275 00:11:02,990 --> 00:11:01,279 Gra is highlighted so effectively it 276 00:11:05,230 --> 00:11:03,000 could be the Intel problem Intel 277 00:11:07,910 --> 00:11:05,240 surprise problem of the the China 278 00:11:10,190 --> 00:11:07,920 balloon if you will it could be uh you 279 00:11:12,110 --> 00:11:10,200 know foreign strategic reconnaissance or 280 00:11:13,350 --> 00:11:12,120 it could be unknown unknown or it could 281 00:11:15,550 --> 00:11:13,360 be technological 282 00:11:17,550 --> 00:11:15,560 surprise right so those are a range of 283 00:11:19,190 --> 00:11:17,560 problems that are all kind of uh 284 00:11:21,910 --> 00:11:19,200 different in how you would address them 285 00:11:23,509 --> 00:11:21,920 range safety and um airspace 286 00:11:25,509 --> 00:11:23,519 deconfliction is a joint all domain 287 00:11:29,069 --> 00:11:25,519 command control problem it's a real time 288 00:11:30,790 --> 00:11:29,079 safety issue the uh Intel surprise issue 289 00:11:32,829 --> 00:11:30,800 is a is a national security defense 290 00:11:35,310 --> 00:11:32,839 issue the technological surprise issue 291 00:11:36,430 --> 00:11:35,320 is an R&D issue so you've got this range 292 00:11:38,110 --> 00:11:36,440 and we're not even getting to the 293 00:11:41,190 --> 00:11:38,120 potential metaphysical Consciousness 294 00:11:43,150 --> 00:11:41,200 other other aspects of the problem so 295 00:11:45,430 --> 00:11:43,160 what the Schumer Amendment does is they 296 00:11:48,829 --> 00:11:45,440 they try to basically uh reverse the 297 00:11:50,990 --> 00:11:48,839 trend of expanding the scope of the term 298 00:11:54,710 --> 00:11:51,000 to narrow it down to a hardcore where 299 00:11:57,110 --> 00:11:54,720 progress can now be made in this next 300 00:11:59,190 --> 00:11:57,120 phase and then perhaps as we make 301 00:12:01,190 --> 00:11:59,200 further progress we can identify other 302 00:12:03,350 --> 00:12:01,200 avenues of approach that might actually 303 00:12:05,949 --> 00:12:03,360 then be more efficacious to expand the 304 00:12:07,710 --> 00:12:05,959 definition so let me read here what the 305 00:12:09,750 --> 00:12:07,720 actual legislation says so we know 306 00:12:13,710 --> 00:12:09,760 specifically what they intended with 307 00:12:15,710 --> 00:12:13,720 Schumer UAP is any object operating or 308 00:12:18,189 --> 00:12:15,720 judge capable of operating in outer 309 00:12:21,550 --> 00:12:18,199 space the atmosphere ocean surface or 310 00:12:24,110 --> 00:12:21,560 under sea lacking prosaic 311 00:12:26,829 --> 00:12:24,120 attribution due to Performance 312 00:12:29,150 --> 00:12:26,839 characteristics and properties not 313 00:12:31,230 --> 00:12:29,160 previously known to be achievable based 314 00:12:33,829 --> 00:12:31,240 upon commonly understood principles of 315 00:12:35,949 --> 00:12:33,839 physics and you can see the six 316 00:12:40,030 --> 00:12:35,959 observables there that have made so 317 00:12:41,629 --> 00:12:40,040 popular by L Alando so the term prosaic 318 00:12:44,310 --> 00:12:41,639 attribution is going to be defined here 319 00:12:46,310 --> 00:12:44,320 in a minute but what we're basically 320 00:12:48,870 --> 00:12:46,320 saying is this stuff is the unknown 321 00:12:50,110 --> 00:12:48,880 unknown category and that's what uh 322 00:12:52,230 --> 00:12:50,120 we're talking about when we're talking 323 00:12:54,350 --> 00:12:52,240 about disclosure so the other term of 324 00:12:55,790 --> 00:12:54,360 reference that's important to understand 325 00:12:59,269 --> 00:12:55,800 is uh 326 00:13:01,069 --> 00:12:59,279 tno temporarily non-attributed object 327 00:13:04,550 --> 00:13:01,079 and there's a huge distinction between 328 00:13:06,550 --> 00:13:04,560 these and Schumer makes this explicit so 329 00:13:09,829 --> 00:13:06,560 TN is a class of objects that 330 00:13:11,949 --> 00:13:09,839 temporarily resist prosaic attribution 331 00:13:14,870 --> 00:13:11,959 by the initial Observer due to 332 00:13:16,829 --> 00:13:14,880 Performance uh or due to environmental 333 00:13:19,350 --> 00:13:16,839 or system limitations associated with 334 00:13:22,990 --> 00:13:19,360 the observation process but that 335 00:13:25,550 --> 00:13:23,000 nevertheless have a known accepted human 336 00:13:27,590 --> 00:13:25,560 origin so TN is the stuff that you 337 00:13:29,829 --> 00:13:27,600 mistake at the time of observation but 338 00:13:31,509 --> 00:13:29,839 you later figure out like what it is so 339 00:13:32,949 --> 00:13:31,519 if you look at Blue Book you know 340 00:13:35,790 --> 00:13:32,959 depending on the statistics you want to 341 00:13:38,030 --> 00:13:35,800 use the the 94% or the 80% of what they 342 00:13:40,910 --> 00:13:38,040 spent their time on was TN was all 343 00:13:42,750 --> 00:13:40,920 explainable the res the residual 6% or 344 00:13:46,030 --> 00:13:42,760 20% depending on which statistics you're 345 00:13:49,389 --> 00:13:46,040 using that's the UAP so the legislation 346 00:13:52,470 --> 00:13:49,399 is focused on on UAP that's the main 347 00:13:54,189 --> 00:13:52,480 takeaway here all right so uh I've got a 348 00:13:55,990 --> 00:13:54,199 couple slides on the executive summary 349 00:13:58,269 --> 00:13:56,000 so what's the mechanics of this 350 00:14:00,870 --> 00:13:58,279 legislation so we already said that we 351 00:14:02,509 --> 00:14:00,880 want to caliz the records so where we 352 00:14:04,710 --> 00:14:02,519 centralize the records is the National 353 00:14:07,590 --> 00:14:04,720 Archives so the archist has got a role 354 00:14:09,509 --> 00:14:07,600 in this process but they're also owners 355 00:14:11,590 --> 00:14:09,519 of the of the records they're people 356 00:14:13,350 --> 00:14:11,600 that generated the records organizations 357 00:14:15,110 --> 00:14:13,360 in government and they're people that 358 00:14:16,990 --> 00:14:15,120 happen to have records that may they may 359 00:14:19,030 --> 00:14:17,000 not have generated so these are called 360 00:14:21,509 --> 00:14:19,040 government offices these government 361 00:14:24,470 --> 00:14:21,519 offices are obligated to identify and 362 00:14:25,829 --> 00:14:24,480 transmit these records to the archivist 363 00:14:29,230 --> 00:14:25,839 they've got to identify which records 364 00:14:31,590 --> 00:14:29,240 are UAP records based on uh how the 365 00:14:33,550 --> 00:14:31,600 legislation's written and they've got to 366 00:14:36,430 --> 00:14:33,560 transmit those to the archivist and the 367 00:14:39,470 --> 00:14:36,440 legislation gives them 300 days to do 368 00:14:41,829 --> 00:14:39,480 this so nobody necessarily trusts that 369 00:14:44,230 --> 00:14:41,839 that's going to happen and I think Tim 370 00:14:45,949 --> 00:14:44,240 uh Tim's talk I think outlined and 371 00:14:47,509 --> 00:14:45,959 highlighted perhaps the fact that the 372 00:14:49,310 --> 00:14:47,519 government isn't a monolith right you've 373 00:14:51,509 --> 00:14:49,320 got a lot of different opinions going on 374 00:14:54,269 --> 00:14:51,519 a lot of different organizational uh 375 00:14:57,949 --> 00:14:54,279 dialectic and Dynamics going on and a 376 00:14:59,509 --> 00:14:57,959 lot of different agendas and so as uh we 377 00:15:02,470 --> 00:14:59,519 said earlier there's got to be an 378 00:15:04,069 --> 00:15:02,480 enforceable accountable process so the 379 00:15:06,030 --> 00:15:04,079 the central tenant of the Schumer 380 00:15:07,150 --> 00:15:06,040 amendment is to create this UAP record 381 00:15:09,590 --> 00:15:07,160 review 382 00:15:11,389 --> 00:15:09,600 board and so this is very much analogous 383 00:15:14,030 --> 00:15:11,399 to what was done in the JFK 384 00:15:17,430 --> 00:15:14,040 assassination records Act of 385 00:15:20,550 --> 00:15:17,440 1992 where a an independent board was 386 00:15:22,990 --> 00:15:20,560 set up to review those records but this 387 00:15:25,310 --> 00:15:23,000 legislation differs from that in in 388 00:15:26,870 --> 00:15:25,320 several significant ways number one 389 00:15:29,470 --> 00:15:26,880 obviously the problems are different 390 00:15:31,590 --> 00:15:29,480 right so uh in that case was more of a 391 00:15:33,269 --> 00:15:31,600 retrospective and historical 392 00:15:36,150 --> 00:15:33,279 understanding and there's a finite set 393 00:15:37,910 --> 00:15:36,160 of Records our problem here it's an 394 00:15:40,430 --> 00:15:37,920 ongoing problem records are contining to 395 00:15:41,870 --> 00:15:40,440 be generated into the future and uh 396 00:15:44,710 --> 00:15:41,880 there's this obvious technological 397 00:15:47,590 --> 00:15:44,720 surprise concern there's a an immediacy 398 00:15:50,189 --> 00:15:47,600 to this so This records review board 399 00:15:51,790 --> 00:15:50,199 that's created is to consist of nine 400 00:15:53,990 --> 00:15:51,800 folks and we'll get into the composition 401 00:15:57,309 --> 00:15:54,000 of that uh but that board's going to 402 00:15:59,710 --> 00:15:57,319 have certain authorities to review what 403 00:16:01,710 --> 00:15:59,720 these offices submit so the going in 404 00:16:03,470 --> 00:16:01,720 position is if it's UAP records got to 405 00:16:05,150 --> 00:16:03,480 get disclosed if the office doesn't want 406 00:16:06,949 --> 00:16:05,160 it disclosed they got to make a case and 407 00:16:09,550 --> 00:16:06,959 why they don't want it disclosed that 408 00:16:12,069 --> 00:16:09,560 case comes to the board and the board uh 409 00:16:15,069 --> 00:16:12,079 adjudicates that and recommends to the 410 00:16:18,230 --> 00:16:15,079 president the oversight for this board 411 00:16:20,790 --> 00:16:18,240 is held in the Senate Homeland Security 412 00:16:23,350 --> 00:16:20,800 and government accountability committee 413 00:16:25,389 --> 00:16:23,360 and in the house uh oversight committee 414 00:16:28,069 --> 00:16:25,399 uh committee on oversight and government 415 00:16:32,030 --> 00:16:28,079 Affairs uh let's see what else okay so 416 00:16:35,069 --> 00:16:32,040 the the part of this is unlike JFK 417 00:16:36,790 --> 00:16:35,079 there's the issue of um materials and so 418 00:16:39,910 --> 00:16:36,800 there's a couple other terms of Art in 419 00:16:41,309 --> 00:16:39,920 here too and nhi people are somewhat 420 00:16:43,430 --> 00:16:41,319 familiar with those perhaps non-human 421 00:16:44,829 --> 00:16:43,440 intelligence so biological evidence of 422 00:16:47,350 --> 00:16:44,839 non-human intelligence that's been 423 00:16:50,829 --> 00:16:47,360 talked about in open hearings and 424 00:16:52,870 --> 00:16:50,839 Technology of Unknown Origin so the 425 00:16:55,030 --> 00:16:52,880 Schumer Amendment directs the federal 426 00:16:58,749 --> 00:16:55,040 government to exercise eminent 427 00:17:01,189 --> 00:16:58,759 domain over those and then this board is 428 00:17:03,790 --> 00:17:01,199 to adjudicate whether the stuff actually 429 00:17:05,829 --> 00:17:03,800 is too on nhi and whether it should be 430 00:17:07,750 --> 00:17:05,839 postponed or disclosed and we'll get 431 00:17:10,829 --> 00:17:07,760 into some of the ramifications of that 432 00:17:13,710 --> 00:17:10,839 in a minute so how's this board going to 433 00:17:16,309 --> 00:17:13,720 do this uh they're going to develop a 434 00:17:19,909 --> 00:17:16,319 plan and this is a big difference from 435 00:17:22,069 --> 00:17:19,919 the JFK legislation so this plan for all 436 00:17:24,990 --> 00:17:22,079 records that they deem need to be 437 00:17:27,870 --> 00:17:25,000 postponed for whatever reason has got to 438 00:17:30,630 --> 00:17:27,880 indicate a benchmark driven process with 439 00:17:33,150 --> 00:17:30,640 specified occurrences and time frames 440 00:17:35,270 --> 00:17:33,160 for downgrading uh review and 441 00:17:38,710 --> 00:17:35,280 declassification for everything that's 442 00:17:41,549 --> 00:17:38,720 postponed and then this plan 443 00:17:43,070 --> 00:17:41,559 supersedes all previous declassification 444 00:17:45,990 --> 00:17:43,080 guidance that may have been applicable 445 00:17:48,430 --> 00:17:46,000 to this material that's extremely 446 00:17:50,270 --> 00:17:48,440 important that's different than the JFK 447 00:17:52,710 --> 00:17:50,280 the JFK was basically like should we 448 00:17:54,149 --> 00:17:52,720 postpone or not okay and then it gets 449 00:17:56,590 --> 00:17:54,159 kicked down the road if they say 450 00:17:58,430 --> 00:17:56,600 postpone Schumer basically says if 451 00:18:00,830 --> 00:17:58,440 you're postponing you got to tell me 452 00:18:03,390 --> 00:18:00,840 exactly what you got to do to release it 453 00:18:06,909 --> 00:18:03,400 in a benchmark driven plan and then this 454 00:18:09,750 --> 00:18:06,919 plan uh basically becomes the 455 00:18:11,470 --> 00:18:09,760 declassification guidance going forward 456 00:18:13,270 --> 00:18:11,480 now the point is that the president 457 00:18:15,590 --> 00:18:13,280 ultimately has the sole non-delegable 458 00:18:17,029 --> 00:18:15,600 Authority so Congress can't impinge upon 459 00:18:19,110 --> 00:18:17,039 you know presidential executive 460 00:18:21,110 --> 00:18:19,120 Authority so the president makes the 461 00:18:24,230 --> 00:18:21,120 ultimate decision based on these 462 00:18:26,149 --> 00:18:24,240 recommendations but um once the 463 00:18:29,990 --> 00:18:26,159 recommendation made they're either 464 00:18:32,990 --> 00:18:30,000 immediately disclosed uh or um it's 465 00:18:34,510 --> 00:18:33,000 postponed as we said or put into uh and 466 00:18:38,029 --> 00:18:34,520 the decisions put into the Federal 467 00:18:40,430 --> 00:18:38,039 Register within 14 days so the president 468 00:18:42,710 --> 00:18:40,440 has to provide a reason to the board on 469 00:18:44,909 --> 00:18:42,720 what his decision is both classified and 470 00:18:48,510 --> 00:18:44,919 unclassified the unclassified reason 471 00:18:50,510 --> 00:18:48,520 gets published publicly within 14 days 472 00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:50,520 the other point here is that all the 473 00:18:57,310 --> 00:18:53,760 records are to be disclosed within 25 474 00:19:01,590 --> 00:18:59,230 creation 475 00:19:04,230 --> 00:19:01,600 unless the president deems 476 00:19:06,029 --> 00:19:04,240 otherwise and Congress has appropriated 477 00:19:08,070 --> 00:19:06,039 uh or authorized the appropriation of 20 478 00:19:09,350 --> 00:19:08,080 20 million to do this all right so I've 479 00:19:10,830 --> 00:19:09,360 got to kind of move a little faster here 480 00:19:13,029 --> 00:19:10,840 so these are terms of reference in the 481 00:19:15,830 --> 00:19:13,039 legislation so non-human intelligence at 482 00:19:17,630 --> 00:19:15,840 least 18 times cited in there any Senti 483 00:19:20,350 --> 00:19:17,640 intelligent non-human life form 484 00:19:22,750 --> 00:19:20,360 regardless of nature or ultimate origin 485 00:19:25,390 --> 00:19:22,760 that may be presumed responsible for UAP 486 00:19:27,230 --> 00:19:25,400 based on the earlier definition or of 487 00:19:29,190 --> 00:19:27,240 which the federal government has become 488 00:19:31,710 --> 00:19:29,200 aware 489 00:19:33,270 --> 00:19:31,720 Legacy program all federal state local 490 00:19:34,710 --> 00:19:33,280 government commercial industry academic 491 00:19:37,430 --> 00:19:34,720 private sector Endeavors to collect 492 00:19:40,270 --> 00:19:37,440 exploit verse engineer too or biological 493 00:19:42,029 --> 00:19:40,280 evidence of nhi prosaic attribution you 494 00:19:45,230 --> 00:19:42,039 remember this was in both of those terms 495 00:19:47,430 --> 00:19:45,240 UAP and tno prosaic attribution having a 496 00:19:52,350 --> 00:19:47,440 human either foreign or domestic 497 00:19:54,510 --> 00:19:52,360 origin so UAP is nonhuman tno human 498 00:19:56,310 --> 00:19:54,520 technology of Unknown Origin this is 499 00:19:59,310 --> 00:19:56,320 very important for the eminent domain 500 00:20:01,310 --> 00:19:59,320 Clause any material or material ejected 501 00:20:03,350 --> 00:20:01,320 crash debris mechanisms Machinery 502 00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:03,360 equipment assemblies or subassemblies 503 00:20:07,950 --> 00:20:05,200 engineering models or processes damage 504 00:20:09,870 --> 00:20:07,960 or intact Aerospace vehicles or damage 505 00:20:13,549 --> 00:20:09,880 or intact ocean surface or undersea 506 00:20:15,310 --> 00:20:13,559 craft associated with UAP or 507 00:20:18,070 --> 00:20:15,320 incorporating Science and Technology 508 00:20:19,789 --> 00:20:18,080 lacking prosaic attribution or known 509 00:20:21,710 --> 00:20:19,799 means of human 510 00:20:23,430 --> 00:20:21,720 manufacturing so that's what emminent 511 00:20:29,190 --> 00:20:23,440 domain applies 512 00:20:32,590 --> 00:20:29,200 to it's reasonably specific I would say 513 00:20:35,070 --> 00:20:32,600 so so this is the board so there are 514 00:20:37,590 --> 00:20:35,080 nine members of the board um seven of 515 00:20:39,070 --> 00:20:37,600 those positions are specified explicitly 516 00:20:40,350 --> 00:20:39,080 executive director National Security 517 00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:40,360 official Foreign Service official 518 00:20:44,149 --> 00:20:42,240 scientists economists professional 519 00:20:46,190 --> 00:20:44,159 historians sociologist how are these 520 00:20:47,710 --> 00:20:46,200 come up you know determined they were 521 00:20:50,830 --> 00:20:47,720 determined to align with the instruments 522 00:20:52,190 --> 00:20:50,840 of National Power so historically 523 00:20:54,149 --> 00:20:52,200 instruments of National Power are 524 00:20:56,029 --> 00:20:54,159 diplomatic military and economic there 525 00:20:58,149 --> 00:20:56,039 was a revision of that over time that 526 00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:58,159 added information into that they created 527 00:21:02,390 --> 00:21:00,240 had this concept called dime 528 00:21:04,190 --> 00:21:02,400 counterinsurgency coin came around and 529 00:21:05,710 --> 00:21:04,200 we realized okay there's external 530 00:21:07,230 --> 00:21:05,720 elements of power and there internal 531 00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:07,240 elements of power that sort of align 532 00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:09,280 with the nature of sovereignty so they 533 00:21:14,669 --> 00:21:10,720 expand the definition to come up with 534 00:21:16,750 --> 00:21:14,679 dime Phil which adds law enforcement and 535 00:21:18,230 --> 00:21:16,760 and intelligence and financial and 536 00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:18,240 there's also the political element so 537 00:21:22,669 --> 00:21:20,559 you've got eight elements of power plus 538 00:21:24,430 --> 00:21:22,679 an executive director and the premise 539 00:21:26,470 --> 00:21:24,440 for this is that disclosure is going to 540 00:21:28,350 --> 00:21:26,480 happen using the instruments of national 541 00:21:30,190 --> 00:21:28,360 power but disclosure also impact the 542 00:21:31,950 --> 00:21:30,200 instruments of National Power and so you 543 00:21:34,470 --> 00:21:31,960 need practitioners of the instruments of 544 00:21:36,590 --> 00:21:34,480 National Power for the president to have 545 00:21:39,510 --> 00:21:36,600 confidence in the recommendations he or 546 00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:39,520 she is getting from this panel such that 547 00:21:43,669 --> 00:21:41,679 uh when he implements that decision it's 548 00:21:45,149 --> 00:21:43,679 going to have a ramification that's 549 00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:45,159 that's understandable by people that are 550 00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:47,760 experienced in the field so impartial 551 00:21:51,310 --> 00:21:49,200 citizens are to be appointed to the 552 00:21:53,630 --> 00:21:51,320 panel that aren't affiliated with any 553 00:21:56,510 --> 00:21:53,640 Legacy program we we Define what Legacy 554 00:21:59,029 --> 00:21:56,520 program was earlier that's a major 555 00:22:01,750 --> 00:21:59,039 exclusion they are going to be of high 556 00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:01,760 National reputation so unlike the JFK 557 00:22:05,149 --> 00:22:03,520 we're talking about cabinet level 558 00:22:07,190 --> 00:22:05,159 deputies we're talking about Noble 559 00:22:09,990 --> 00:22:07,200 laurates we're talking about people of 560 00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:10,000 the caliber of a ABY lobe or Gary Nolan 561 00:22:17,669 --> 00:22:15,039 maybe so and that's that's uh uh uh you 562 00:22:19,669 --> 00:22:17,679 know unsolicited but frankly we're 563 00:22:21,710 --> 00:22:19,679 talking about that caliber of 564 00:22:24,070 --> 00:22:21,720 person and these people are going to be 565 00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:24,080 granted security clearances appropriate 566 00:22:29,110 --> 00:22:26,720 for the task through expedited means so 567 00:22:30,230 --> 00:22:29,120 it's very important all right pressence 568 00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:30,240 of work I'm not going to dwell on this 569 00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:32,000 too long this is different than the JFK 570 00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:33,520 but basically we're saying anything 571 00:22:38,630 --> 00:22:36,320 that's not already already public is a 572 00:22:40,990 --> 00:22:38,640 high priority the number one priority 573 00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:41,000 anything that most unambiguously relates 574 00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:43,440 to the topic right unambiguously most 575 00:22:48,630 --> 00:22:46,159 unambiguously non-human anything subject 576 00:22:50,710 --> 00:22:48,640 to litigation anything of the earliest 577 00:22:52,710 --> 00:22:50,720 Providence so that's the Precedence of 578 00:22:55,789 --> 00:22:52,720 work stuff we don't know already and 579 00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:58,789 nonhuman uh emminent domain uh so maybe 580 00:23:02,149 --> 00:23:00,400 we'll have some discussion after this I 581 00:23:04,510 --> 00:23:02,159 want to kind of keep going through here 582 00:23:06,149 --> 00:23:04,520 but there are legal pros and cons uh 583 00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:06,159 obviously uh if you got an inversion 584 00:23:10,149 --> 00:23:07,360 imminent domain you probably add an 585 00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:10,159 aversion to this part of the statute but 586 00:23:14,990 --> 00:23:12,159 the point here is the government wants 587 00:23:17,070 --> 00:23:15,000 to uh restore oversight and control of 588 00:23:20,789 --> 00:23:17,080 the material so it can make better 589 00:23:22,590 --> 00:23:20,799 progress scientifically on this and so 590 00:23:24,230 --> 00:23:22,600 the challenge is you know does that 591 00:23:25,950 --> 00:23:24,240 affect intellectual property rights and 592 00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:25,960 the way the legislation written is it 593 00:23:32,190 --> 00:23:28,799 does not because any uh created out of 594 00:23:35,029 --> 00:23:32,200 the material uh is retained by the 595 00:23:37,070 --> 00:23:35,039 owner all right uh terms of reference 596 00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:37,080 disclosure so the the point here is 597 00:23:40,430 --> 00:23:38,400 there's a difference between control 598 00:23:42,350 --> 00:23:40,440 disclosure and catastrophic disclosure 599 00:23:44,669 --> 00:23:42,360 control disclosure is using the campaign 600 00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:44,679 plan catastrophic disclosure I think was 601 00:23:49,110 --> 00:23:47,120 which was alluded to in the in the prior 602 00:23:51,630 --> 00:23:49,120 discussion where all the information is 603 00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:51,640 just dumped out there by an adversary or 604 00:23:55,149 --> 00:23:53,840 uh non-human intelligence to create 605 00:23:57,590 --> 00:23:55,159 societal 606 00:23:59,630 --> 00:23:57,600 disruption all right so this is an 607 00:24:01,789 --> 00:23:59,640 important important slide because if we 608 00:24:04,590 --> 00:24:01,799 want uh to facilitate this board doing 609 00:24:06,870 --> 00:24:04,600 its work then uh the barriers that 610 00:24:08,590 --> 00:24:06,880 impede that need to be lower and so you 611 00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:08,600 need to understand what the impediments 612 00:24:12,669 --> 00:24:10,400 are to disclosure and so there's six 613 00:24:15,230 --> 00:24:12,679 reasons for non-disclosure National 614 00:24:18,029 --> 00:24:15,240 Security lack of a plan societal 615 00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:18,039 disruption covert agreement covert cover 616 00:24:21,470 --> 00:24:19,679 for misdeeds and organizational 617 00:24:23,669 --> 00:24:21,480 intransigence and you could just derive 618 00:24:25,070 --> 00:24:23,679 this from first principles and so a lot 619 00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:25,080 of this has been talked about already 620 00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:27,039 but let's look at societal disruption 621 00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:30,000 challenge to exist Authority structures 622 00:24:34,590 --> 00:24:32,880 ontological shock market crash false 623 00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:34,600 Authority syndrome stagnation of 624 00:24:38,510 --> 00:24:36,880 initiative all of these are issues that 625 00:24:40,590 --> 00:24:38,520 are preventing disclosure they're going 626 00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:40,600 to they're going to impact the plan that 627 00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:44,159 the board develops if you actually shred 628 00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:45,679 through these issues you realize these 629 00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:48,240 are really not government issues these 630 00:24:52,269 --> 00:24:50,640 issues are are more effectively solved 631 00:24:56,470 --> 00:24:52,279 in the private sector in then academic 632 00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:56,480 sector in uh in uh legal uh reviews and 633 00:25:01,909 --> 00:24:58,799 policy discussions in the Natural 634 00:25:04,350 --> 00:25:01,919 Sciences so this tees up the opportunity 635 00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:04,360 for Saul foundation and the members here 636 00:25:08,430 --> 00:25:06,080 to contribute to the solution of this 637 00:25:10,990 --> 00:25:08,440 plan because there's a linkage 638 00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:11,000 here so there's needs to be a campaign 639 00:25:14,269 --> 00:25:12,559 plan to synchronize all this I would 640 00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:14,279 argue you know DOD is big into plan so a 641 00:25:19,750 --> 00:25:16,320 campaign plan is like a plan about a 642 00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:19,760 plan it's a meta plan right so that 643 00:25:23,230 --> 00:25:21,360 means you like cost schedule performance 644 00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:23,240 is really not part of your campaign plan 645 00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:24,320 it's just sort of like this is the 646 00:25:28,029 --> 00:25:25,760 direction we want to go these are the 647 00:25:29,630 --> 00:25:28,039 ends ways and means that we want to use 648 00:25:31,789 --> 00:25:29,640 and this is like the kind of shared 649 00:25:34,029 --> 00:25:31,799 consensus of what we're trying to do and 650 00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:34,039 the shared consensus I would submit is 651 00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:35,919 we want proper oversight because we've 652 00:25:39,710 --> 00:25:38,159 got a government that's run by elected 653 00:25:41,510 --> 00:25:39,720 officials and ultimately they're 654 00:25:42,789 --> 00:25:41,520 accountable to the public and they've 655 00:25:44,350 --> 00:25:42,799 already recognized that they don't have 656 00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:44,360 the appropriate oversight so we want to 657 00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:46,159 get oversight and we want to get 658 00:25:50,590 --> 00:25:47,520 disclosure but we want to get it through 659 00:25:51,950 --> 00:25:50,600 a controlled process we want to get it 660 00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:51,960 in a way that doesn't create the 661 00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:53,760 societal collapse like Eric Klein talked 662 00:25:59,110 --> 00:25:56,720 about in 1177 BC the the system collapse 663 00:26:01,230 --> 00:25:59,120 of all the ancient societies this is the 664 00:26:02,909 --> 00:26:01,240 order of the potential concern that 665 00:26:04,750 --> 00:26:02,919 might be happening here and then the 666 00:26:06,029 --> 00:26:04,760 third piece is what do we want to do 667 00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:06,039 about this problem well we've got to 668 00:26:10,590 --> 00:26:07,440 actually address the scientific 669 00:26:12,590 --> 00:26:10,600 technical ethical uh legal religious 670 00:26:14,590 --> 00:26:12,600 aspects of this and more people need to 671 00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:14,600 be involved if we're going to make that 672 00:26:22,070 --> 00:26:19,120 progress so this is the obligatory DOD 673 00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:22,080 type of campaign plan 674 00:26:27,310 --> 00:26:25,679 chart so you know we've had phase one we 675 00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:27,320 we've completed phase one I would argue 676 00:26:33,630 --> 00:26:28,320 phase 677 00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:33,640 so it says you know demonstrate UAP 678 00:26:37,029 --> 00:26:35,679 existence by you know January of 24 and 679 00:26:37,870 --> 00:26:37,039 you're like well that's crazy it's never 680 00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:37,880 going to happen it's probably won't 681 00:26:42,590 --> 00:26:40,080 happen my lifetime I'm saying that that 682 00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:42,600 already happened the the gang of eight 683 00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:45,520 just said that we need this legislation 684 00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:48,240 and they don't have proper oversight so 685 00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:50,000 disclosure is a process it's not an 686 00:26:54,029 --> 00:26:51,360 event and it's going to stair step 687 00:26:56,430 --> 00:26:54,039 across these phases so phase two is 688 00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:56,440 where Academia I think comes in and and 689 00:27:01,830 --> 00:26:58,480 then ultimately get to the The Wider 690 00:27:04,750 --> 00:27:01,840 public and and so we see like October 691 00:27:08,350 --> 00:27:04,760 2030 is maybe the you know the pivot 692 00:27:10,669 --> 00:27:08,360 point when uh this board sunsets seven 693 00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:10,679 years for the board to do its job but in 694 00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:12,480 order to facilitate the board doing its 695 00:27:17,070 --> 00:27:15,279 job this Philosophical Investigation 696 00:27:18,990 --> 00:27:17,080 line of effort B scientific 697 00:27:21,230 --> 00:27:19,000 investigation line of effort C and 698 00:27:24,029 --> 00:27:21,240 private sector investigation line of 699 00:27:25,710 --> 00:27:24,039 effort D is where we can all contribute 700 00:27:27,950 --> 00:27:25,720 to facilitating and lowering that 701 00:27:29,870 --> 00:27:27,960 potential barrier and uh so I've got 702 00:27:32,389 --> 00:27:29,880 maybe a minute or two I'm going to just 703 00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:32,399 jump through a couple ideas that I've 704 00:27:36,669 --> 00:27:34,000 got for each of these lines of effort if 705 00:27:38,350 --> 00:27:36,679 we might do that so these this is the 706 00:27:40,669 --> 00:27:38,360 government line of effort P Schumer 707 00:27:42,389 --> 00:27:40,679 Grant legal amnesty centralize the data 708 00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:42,399 create a Manhattan Project to address 709 00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:44,640 this area sponsor National Science 710 00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:47,200 Foundation grants Charter and ni 711 00:27:50,909 --> 00:27:49,360 National Intel estimate to assess the 712 00:27:52,750 --> 00:27:50,919 public private positions of every 713 00:27:55,789 --> 00:27:52,760 country with this topic and where they 714 00:27:57,470 --> 00:27:55,799 are with it and use that to tee up a 715 00:28:00,549 --> 00:27:57,480 United Nations Summit or World Congress 716 00:28:03,149 --> 00:28:00,559 Congress on developing uh new Norms of 717 00:28:05,070 --> 00:28:03,159 behavior in this context right so that 718 00:28:07,230 --> 00:28:05,080 would be line of effort a what about 719 00:28:09,430 --> 00:28:07,240 line of effort B the humanities I think 720 00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:09,440 we need a sociological model for 721 00:28:12,669 --> 00:28:11,039 analyzing the societal impact for 722 00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:12,679 disclosure and then developing 723 00:28:17,190 --> 00:28:15,440 mitigation strategies a priori to 724 00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:17,200 address that now some people think that 725 00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:18,720 may be less of a concern or more of a 726 00:28:22,350 --> 00:28:20,320 concern it's kind of irrelevant like 727 00:28:24,549 --> 00:28:22,360 it's an unknown right now when we need a 728 00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:24,559 plan to address it to lower that that 729 00:28:28,909 --> 00:28:27,279 that concern codify the laws of Ethics 730 00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:28,919 uh in an environment where we might have 731 00:28:33,110 --> 00:28:31,360 a hierarchy of being where everyone 732 00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:33,120 isn't necessarily having equal 733 00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:35,360 competitive potential how do you is 734 00:28:39,549 --> 00:28:37,360 essentially translating our special 735 00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:39,559 relativity version of Ethics to a 736 00:28:44,350 --> 00:28:41,600 general relativity version of Ethics 737 00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:44,360 where you've got um the problem of a 738 00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:46,960 more advanced civilization coming in and 739 00:28:50,830 --> 00:28:48,320 um disrupting a less Advanced 740 00:28:53,909 --> 00:28:50,840 civilization it's the same issue with AI 741 00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:53,919 or colonialism or non-human 742 00:28:57,909 --> 00:28:55,760 intelligence all right I don't have much 743 00:28:59,909 --> 00:28:57,919 time here so we'll just go quick 744 00:29:02,630 --> 00:28:59,919 Natural Sciences this was talked about 745 00:29:04,350 --> 00:29:02,640 extensively we need one of the immediate 746 00:29:06,190 --> 00:29:04,360 areas that we can make progress is the 747 00:29:08,990 --> 00:29:06,200 material science Arena Gary talked about 748 00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:09,000 it he recommended this area and and it's 749 00:29:13,110 --> 00:29:10,880 definitely the case developing 750 00:29:15,190 --> 00:29:13,120 theoretical as well as practical methods 751 00:29:16,509 --> 00:29:15,200 to analyze metam materials and let's get 752 00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:16,519 to the point where we can actually talk 753 00:29:21,630 --> 00:29:19,279 about utilizing the what is it 339 754 00:29:24,350 --> 00:29:21,640 Isotopes and Engineering materials out 755 00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:24,360 of that instead of the uh 118 elements 756 00:29:28,710 --> 00:29:26,159 that were been sort of limited 757 00:29:31,630 --> 00:29:28,720 to uh let's 758 00:29:34,389 --> 00:29:31,640 see the other part here that might be 759 00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:34,399 relevant is why don't we actually get a 760 00:29:37,230 --> 00:29:35,760 canonical data set I think Whitley 761 00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:37,240 actually asked this question like what's 762 00:29:44,029 --> 00:29:40,399 it take to make this data respectable to 763 00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:44,039 science and use this data set of cases 764 00:29:50,350 --> 00:29:47,200 and develop the canonical temporal 765 00:29:52,909 --> 00:29:50,360 geospatial and um ontological range of 766 00:29:54,909 --> 00:29:52,919 distributions on what we're seeing here 767 00:29:57,470 --> 00:29:54,919 and then do that in a way that actually 768 00:29:59,190 --> 00:29:57,480 is citable scientifically in papers so 769 00:30:00,830 --> 00:29:59,200 that we can build on work that's 770 00:30:03,750 --> 00:30:00,840 previously been done there's huge amount 771 00:30:06,029 --> 00:30:03,760 of work that jacqu and others have done 772 00:30:09,590 --> 00:30:06,039 uh but it doesn't seem to be cited in 773 00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:09,600 the literature and perhaps because that 774 00:30:14,669 --> 00:30:12,559 we haven't constructed um the uh the 775 00:30:17,549 --> 00:30:14,679 data set sufficient for it to be 776 00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:17,559 amendable for citation so and then we 777 00:30:21,070 --> 00:30:18,880 got to develop typic in queing 778 00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:21,080 methodologies for that and then uh the 779 00:30:24,990 --> 00:30:23,200 private sector we need to wargame the 780 00:30:26,830 --> 00:30:25,000 business utility of forming consortiums 781 00:30:27,789 --> 00:30:26,840 to actually uh look at this material if 782 00:30:30,350 --> 00:30:27,799 the government was actually going to 783 00:30:33,029 --> 00:30:30,360 make it available codify precence and 784 00:30:34,870 --> 00:30:33,039 legal standards for determining uh 785 00:30:37,509 --> 00:30:34,880 intellectual property rights over the 786 00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:37,519 material analyzing uh economic 787 00:30:42,070 --> 00:30:40,240 incentives and uh the impact to the 788 00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:42,080 economy if new energy sources were 789 00:30:47,830 --> 00:30:45,279 developed and uh advocating as as Gary 790 00:30:50,269 --> 00:30:47,840 has just talked about uh uh 791 00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:50,279 collaboration amongst these nonprofit 792 00:30:54,950 --> 00:30:52,799 and and private sector and so just in 793 00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:54,960 summary I'd like to say you disclosure 794 00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:56,799 is not a process but the way to make 795 00:31:00,669 --> 00:30:58,960 progress is probably the way Diana 796 00:31:03,149 --> 00:31:00,679 outlined which is this collaborative 797 00:31:04,909 --> 00:31:03,159 emergent uh interaction that creates 798 00:31:06,350 --> 00:31:04,919 more than the sum of the individual 799 00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:06,360 Parts which I think is what actually 800 00:31:10,590 --> 00:31:08,960 created and allowed Schumer to happen 801 00:31:12,509 --> 00:31:10,600 it's a government first problem in the 802 00:31:14,669 --> 00:31:12,519 sense that the government has more and 803 00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:14,679 better information than everybody else 804 00:31:18,269 --> 00:31:15,760 but that doesn't mean that everybody 805 00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:18,279 else has got to sit on the sidelines uh 806 00:31:21,909 --> 00:31:20,480 the impediments to disclosure really 807 00:31:24,430 --> 00:31:21,919 things that can be solved in the private 808 00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:24,440 sector and it's a whole society problem 809 00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:26,080 and I think it involves the humanities 810 00:31:30,190 --> 00:31:28,480 the Natural Sciences and and everything 811 00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:30,200 that the foundation appears to be 812 00:31:34,350 --> 00:31:32,880 focusing on so uh hopefully I didn't run 813 00:31:36,990 --> 00:31:34,360 over too long I appreciate the 814 00:31:38,990 --> 00:31:37,000 opportunity to chat and welcome any